I read news articles daily about radical Muslim attacks in Iraq as well as Islamic persecution of Christians in Indonesia, Sri Lanka, India, Pakistan, Eritrea, etc. Then I hear somewhat feeble statements - I'm sorry, that's the way it appears to me - that the Koran condemns violence and holy wars, that Islam is a peaceful religion.
As a Christian, I'm often criticized because some Christians are guilty of hypocrisy, mistreatment and atrocities. But rather than becoming defensive, I sincerely agree with critics that the actions they decry are wrong and unjustified and I say I'm ashamed that Christians have acted that way. (To say this does not accept responsibility; it expresses regret.) I express sorrow that they or others have been mistreated and assure them from the Bible that God condemns that behavior, too.
I'm sure peaceful Muslims also want to distance themselves from "holy" violence. So why don't we hear strong statements like these?
"We are grieved and feel shame that these evil, violent acts have been committed in Allah's name. Those who use Islam as an excuse to terrorize and take the innocent lives of others are enemies of Islam, not its friends. Islam teaches us to seek peace with all peoples, regardless of faith or nationality; all true Muslims follow this teaching. Those of us who serve Allah and follow the Koran express sorrow to our fellow American citizens, and to the world, for the evil being committed by false Muslims. We extend our deepest condolences." And to give feet to these words, ... "We are donating $--- from our benevolence fund to the Red Cross in Iraq and other countries in the Middle East to assist victims of violence perpetrated by false Muslims. We cannot offset the magnitude of those atrocities but we desire to bring a measure of healing."
I'm not saying these things to humble or shame you but to give you friendly advice. These are things your fellow Americans need to hear from you - loudly. I would make these statements were I in your position, and have made them in regard to Christian attrocities and bad behavior.
We all face the threat of retribution, but evil only thrives when we yield to its intimidation. So why is the American Muslim community not more vocal in this regard?
Mr. Shakir in his article has provided us the following verses from Koran.
“Islam addresses the people of the world through the revealed Book Quran. (Sura Naas 114 /1to 6). Quran says that the God of Islam is the God of the Universe and not God of Muslims only. (Rub-ul-al’meen) Muhammad the Prophet of Islam is the Blessing for the Universe. (Rehmatul’almin) It forbids compulsion in religion. (Chapter2 / 256) It lays stress on personal accountability as it says no one will be burden on other. (Chapter 2 / 139) It extends invitation to non-Muslims for a dialogue. (Chapter 3 / 64) It says that if God wanted that there be all ‘Momins’ (Muslims) He could do so. (Chapter 10 / 99) Therefore the concept of diversity is found in the teachings of Quran. It further says, “ Your Deen (faith) is for you and my Deen (faith) is for me.” (Chapter 109 / 6) It says, “ Do not abuse the idols of the idolaters.” (Chapter 6 / 109) Muhammad the Prophet is the Messenger to convey the message and is not appointed as the Keeper over others and certainly not an arbiter. (Chapter 6 / 108) The Book says that after conveying message, “leave them alone and turn away from them. (Chapter 32 / 30) The Quran instructs protection of all places of worship. (Chapter 22 / 40)”
I believe this selective representation of Koranic verses is misleading. Koranic verses that throw a different light on the treatment of the disbeliever have been compiled by Ali Sina on the website www.faithfreedom.org. These verses spell doom, hell, and violence against the disbeliever. Some of the quotes are from
Surah 2: The Cow, Surah 3: The Family Of 'Imran, Surah 4: Women, Surah 5: The Table Spread, Surah 6: The Cattle, Surah 7: The Heights, Surah 8: The Spoils of War, Surah 9: Repentance, Quran Surah 10: Jonah, Quran Surah 11: Hud, Surah 13: The Thunder, Surah 14: Abraham, Surah 15: The Rock, Surah 17: The Children of Israel, Surah 18: The Cave, Surah 19: Mary, Surah 20: Ta Ha, Surah 21: The Prophets, Surah 22: The Pilgrimage, Surah 23: The Believers, Surah 24: The Light, Surah 25: The Criterion, Surah 26: The Poets, Surah 27: The Ant, Surah 28: The Narrative, Surah 29: The Spider, Surah 30: The Romans, Surah 31: Luqman, Surah 32: The Prostration, Surah 33: The Clans, Surah 34: Saba, Surah 35: The Angels, Surah 36: Ya Sin, Surah 37: Those Who Set The Ranks, Surah 38: Sad, Surah 39: The Troops, Surah 40: The Believer, Surah 41: Fusilat, Surah 42: The Counsel, Surah 43: Ornaments of God, Surah 44: Smoke, Surah 45: Crouching, Surah 46: The Wind-Curved Sandals, Surah 47: Muhammad, Surah 48: Victory, Surah 49: The Private Apartments, Surah 50: Oaf….and many other quotes.
I happened to read your review of Gandhi: Behind ...
Dear Dr. Baldev Singh ji and other respectable well wishers of the
Guru Khalsa Panth.
Waheguru jee ka Khalsa, Waheguru jee kee Fateh
I happened to read your review of Gandhi: Behind the Mask of Divinity by G. B. Singh. As little as I know, Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi had fooled South Africans, Christian British rulers, Buddhists, Jains, Dr. B. R. Ambedkar (Hindu Shudars) and Sikhs including leaders like Bhai Randhir Singh ji (who was, perhaps, following Gandhi when he decided to keep a 40 days fast/satyagrah in
prison), Master Tara Singh, late Baldev Singh, etc. However, Gandhi could not befool Muslims/Jinah (instead of one country they now have two independent Muslim nations: Pakistan and
Bangladesh, whereas Sikhs have become slaves, of ungrateful slaves, since 15 August 1947).
Dr. Manmohan Singh ji, Prime Minister of India, before resuming his official duties first
went to Gandhi's grave/samadh at Rajghat on May 23, 2004 to seek his blessings!
Million thanks for your valuable comments regarding this so-called great saint!
With all the best wishes and Charhdi Kalaa of the Guru Khalsa Panth.
Dear Dr. Baldev Singh ji and other respectable well wishers of the
Guru Khalsa Panth.
Waheguru jee ka Khalsa, Waheguru jee kee Fateh
I read your 19 page rejoinder to a retired Principal Joginder Singh in Chandigarh and IOSS. While going through Sikh magazines/periodicals/tracts/books, it has become my habit to
write comments in the margin for any future reference. In the
Spokesman (July 2002) there is no such comment at pages 34-40 and 43-47 where your and the author Gurbakhsh Singh's articles are printed. However, in case of Principal Joginder Singh's
article in AOSS (Jan-March 2003, pages 34-38), I had noted on page 36 that instead of "Seven Guru's lived by sabad and three gurus practiced.." it should be "Six Gurus and Four
Gurus" respectively, that is, Gurbani of Six Gurus is enshrined in the Guru Granth Sahib [Guru Nanak, Guru Angad, Guru Amardas, Guru
Ramdas, Guru Arjun, Guru Tegh Bahadur] whereas Gurbani of Guru Har Gobind, Guru Har Rai, Guru Har Kishan and Guru Gobind Singh is not in the Guru Granth Sahib. In respect to aapae gur chela, it sould be Piri and Miri (not Miri and Piri) and at page 38, "Sohila" and not Kirtan Sohila.
I fully agree with your views based on Gurbani. Regarding
"Bhagauti in Ardaas", I am of the view that since Ardaas is uttered in the presence of Guru Granth Sahib, its wording/terminology must corroborate and be based on the Guru Granth Sahib. In the
Guru Granth Sahib, "Bhagauti" is recorded on pages 71, 88, 274 and 1348
under the Baani of Guru Amardas Sahib and Guru Arjun Sahib. When we read these Gurshabds,”Bhagauti” means: "bhagat, devotee, follower, saint, true disciple, worshipper".
Even though it may have other meanings, Sikhs do not pray to any Durga Devi or sword. Our prayer/Ardaas is to the True Lord/the Almighty God/the Supreme True Entity - Akaal Purkh/Kartaa
Purkh/Waheguru and as such the wording of the Ardaas, as mentioned in the Sikh Reht Maryada, needs proper revision based on Gurbaani in Guru Granth Sahib. Bhagauti does not refer to Akaal Purkh at all.
In regard to another issue: aapae gur chela, you have already explained that this concept
was started by Guru Nanak Sahib when a true devotee, Bhai Lehna, was selected
and appointed as
Guru Angad Sahib in 1539. In fact,
when we go through Gurshabds Aapay Gur Chela recorded on pages 517, 669
and 797 under the
Gurbaani of Guru Amardas Sahib and Guru Ramdas Sahib, it means that the True
Lord Himself is the Guru
and He Himself is a disciple (devotee).
In the end I wish to add that after the “excommunication” of Bhai Gurbakhsh Singh ji (Canada) and Editor Joginder Singh ji (Spokesman) a trend appears to have started whereby dirt is thrown on Sikhs who do not agree with Brahminical doctrine or rituals
followed by the so called Sikh pujaris, Bhais, Ragis, sant-babas, etc.
There also appears to be a competition among people who belong to various organizations and admiriers of certain people and politicians -- the Akhand Kirtani Jatha, BhIndirawale Taksaal, Deras under Sant Samaj, retired Principals, Professors, Editors, so called intellectuals operating from Amritsar and
Chandigarh and followers abroad.
Strangely, whenever any clarification is needed, these same people keep mum! Million thanks for citing valuable references from Guru Granth Sahib for our guidance.
I would appreciate very much if you could kindly throw light on the following points.
According to my understanding up to the last quarter of the nineteenth century Bhagvad Gita was not a separate text, it was a chapter of Mahabharat when a European writer translated it into English and gave it the name Bhagvad Gita.
You have given splendid explanation on the meaning of “Guru” -- life affirming person, enlightner, guide to human society in every aspect of life. But then you talk of a Guru who lived high up in the Himalayas in a dark cave far away from society. Should not a Guru be immersed in society enlightening people and solving their problem! Moreover, when a Guru lives in cave up in the Himalayas, how does he supports himself? Does he make any effort to earn his living or lives on charity?
In nature all livings beings earn their living even the ones whom we call parasites due to our ignorance, as they too serve the ecosystem. It only the “human parasite” who lives at the expense of ignorant and gullible people without making any positive contribution to the environment. Guru Nanak rejected such Gurus / Pirs.
“The one who dwells on God does not go begging for alms. Never bow at the feet of those who call them Gurus / Pirs, but live on charity. Truthful is the one who practices truth, compassion and charity. One who works hard to make an honest living and practices charity finds the righteous path. (Aad Guru Granth Sahib, pp, 468, 953, 1245)”
Swami Saraswati in Guru Purnima tells us that Maharishi Vyas “is heralded as the one who classified and arranged the four Vedas, and as the author of the 18 Puranas, the Mahabharata and the Bhagavad Gita.”
This is not accurate. “Vyas” is a catch name applied by Hindus denoting him as the author or compiler of so many of these Hindu scriptures. We know next to nothing about historical Vyas, if there was one. Moreover, Bhagavad Gita as a separate text came into existence in 1785. As far as “18 Puranas” go, I believe Swami Saraswati is talking about maha-puranas which are 18 in number. May I ask then who authored or compiled 18 minor puranas and some other miscellaneous puranas? Once you are familiar with the contents you may ask: How could Vyas (or anyone else) have arranged four Vedas and the voluminous Mahabharata? It is simply not possible.
--GB Singh
Could someone please send me the names of lawyers...
-Mumtaz Yusuf
Dear Sir,
Could someone please send me the names of lawyers who
assisted Prof. Davinder Pal Singh in Germany and India.
We are facing a similar case of extradition. Maybe these same attorneys, who have experience in extradition cases, could help us in the European HR Court.
Thank You.
Mumtaz Yusuf
mumtazyusuf@hotmail.com
What is said in this article abour Sardar Nirmal Singh...
What is said in this article abour Sardar Nirmal Singh Thind can never be
enough to describe a great person, who was born to serve the
Sikh community. After getting to know Nirmal uncle so closely, I hope we
can learn from his biography and live a life of a caring person as he
was all his life. I had known him for the last three years and he had been
always there for everyone. He will be remembered by thousands who knew him and
many more as we will continue to spread his beliefs and morals.
No words can portray the greatness and simplicity of Sardar Nirmal Singh Thind or fill the void created by his untimely death. Tribute To My Brother: Sardar Nirmal Singh Thind takes us close to the kind of person that was Sardar Nirmal singh Thind.
Not only did the writer Sardar Bhupinder Singh lose his brother, but
the entire community, I should say the world, has lost
a great brother, a friend, and a responsible citizen.
Mr.Nirmal Singh Thind was a gentle soul who would willingly go to any
extent to help people without a second thought. He
believed in doing good for others but soon forgot it in utmost humility. He may be described as a perfect holy man and perhaps this is why the Almighty has called him for
some important tasks to be done elsewhere.
We will always miss him while we try to incorporate some of his good
qualities and ideals in our life.
Wishing condolences to the Thind family.
-- Gurpreet Singh
The love and acceptance that it seems you want I....
I read this article because I just met two Sikh men recently who work at
the local 7-11 and I met another Sikh lady when I went to a Sikh temple
for my world religions class. I am a born again Christian and it really
appears as though and I hope this is not offensive to you that what you
are looking for cannot be fulfilled in a church, in a temple or by other
people.
The love and acceptance that it seems you want I truly believe can
only be found in a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. He loves you
so much and He suffered and died for you. So many people look to religion
to find this sense of acceptance and I can tell you that although
Christians are supposed to be loving and accepting sometimes they even
fail to show it because we are all sinners and fall short of the glory of
God. But the thing that I want so deeply to share with you is that this
love that you are looking for Jesus offers so freely. You don't have do
anything to deserve His love in fact you and I don't deserve His love but
He gives it to us freely. He is the only way to Heaven and there is
nothing that you have to do for it but simply believe that He loves you
and died for you and ask Him to come into your life and to forgive you for
your sins.
I would love to talk to you more about this and this letter is
simply written because I care, I know you may think that is weird, but I
read your whole letter and all it made me think of was all she needs is
this love that Jesus offers so freely. He truly is the only God and He
loves you so much. He knows your every thought and every tear you have
ever cried and He wants a relationship with you. Please e-mail me back.
God bless.
I am glad to read Sukhvir Singh’s article-- Meditation: The Final Freedom. Given the complexity and the wishy-washy nature of the subject, this is not an easy subject to talk about objectively. Sukhvir has pointed out that already there are more than hundred varieties of meditations. I would like to see what Gurbani has to say about the general interpretations of meditations floating in the market, especially concerning the idea of achieving a “blank mind.”
Sukhvir also wrote, “It is no wonder that Gautam Buddha was attacked by Brahmin pandits, Jesus was hanged by Jews, Mansoor was killed by Muslims, Socrates was killed by Greeks etc. Organized religions are not very different from politics, and each strives hard to gain more converts. When an enlightened being leaves the body a dogma is started in his name. His views are reshaped, and his values are given a new meaning to strengthen the organization. Nanak, Buddha, Mahavira, Gobind Singh, Kabir, Muhammad, and Jesus were enlightened beings.”
I am not sure if I would agree with the above statement. There are historical problems with the Buddha, Jesus, Mohammad, etc. By all accounts available, historically speaking, we know next to nothing about these personalities. Then there are views in these Scriptures that makes one wonder about “being enlightened.” Also, based upon the Gospel accounts in the New Testament, Jesus was not hanged; rather he was crucified. Why blame the Jews for killing their own fellow Jew?
--GB Singh
I am glad you read the article. I would have....
-Sukhvir Singh, USA
Dear G.B. Singh
I am glad you read the article. I would have been more glad had you jumped into meditation rather than viewing it intellectually. Intellectuality is not intelligence. Stop thinking, close your eyes, pray to the existence that I have lost the game, I am tired of my wisdom, my thinking. I am lost, I don’t know what to do, please accept me at your feet...pray and pray.
God is Rahiman, and Bakhshind. Blessing may shower on you. Only thing required is to throw away your intellectuality, and wisdom and be naked at His feet.
You don’t have to depend on any literature/history for your views. Experience it and you can talk on your authority. Most history is partial and distorted view of the facts.
A frog of a well cannot describe the experience of an ocean. But all the effort of a historian for description/history/biography of an enlightened person is just the effort of a frog. It tells more of a frog than the enlightened being.
Now is the time to jump into the open ocean and swim yourself rather than sitting on the bank and thinking.Jump!
With respect,
--Sukhvir Singh
I thank you for a quick response. I hope....
-G.B. Singh, USA
Dear Mr. Sukhvir Singh,
Sat Siri Akal
I thank you for a quick response. I hope I am correct in saying that of
all the meditation varieties, you are recommending this one: "Stop
thinking, close your eyes, pray to the existence that I have lost the
game, I am tired of my wisdom, my thinking. I am lost, I don't know what to do, please accept me at your feet...pray and pray."
I am familiar with this variety and my gut feeling is that you practice
it. Am I correct? If so, explain me, and the readers, how do you
attain or render your brain into "blank mind?" Is that state desirable?
What does Gurbani say about this fantastic endeavor? In fact this was my
question in my earlier correspondence which you didn't touch.
Allow me to repeat again: You wrote in your article, Meditation: The
Final Freedom, the following:
"It is no wonder that Gautam Buddha was attacked by Brahmin pandits,
Jesus was hanged by Jews, Mansoor was killed by Muslims, Socrates was
killed by Greeks etc. Organized religions are not very different from
politics, and each strives hard to gain more converts.... Nanak, Buddha,
Mahavira, Gobind Singh, Kabir, Muhammad, and Jesus were enlightened
beings. They belong to this universe rather than any organization,
religion or region. With each of them collective unconsciousness of
humanity took an upward jump. Each enlightenment is like an explosion
sending positive waves all over the existence."
With all due respect to you, here is a dilemma I have with your variety
of meditation: How did you reach such fantastic conclusions on Buddha,
Muhammad, Jesus, etc? Before you answer this I would urge you to read
all what you have already written.
Sincerely,
--GB Singh
Gurbani is full of songs of no-mind.....
-Sukhvir Singh, USA
Dear GB Singh,
Gurbani is full of songs of no-mind. Gurbani continuously hammer the seeker to leave mind outside before going to the Guru.
Jao Tao Prem Khelan Ka Chao,
Sir Dhar Tali Gali meri Aao
Jeevtia mar rahie,Esa jog Kamaiye etc.
Remove your head. Head is mind. Head is your ego. Head is your identity. Head tells you that you are Mr X and you belong to this or that and above all head tells you that you have so much knowledge about things. All this is your mind. Mind is not a physical part in your body, rather it is a chain of thoughts which is going twenty-four hours a day continuously. It is a mess out of your past, not only of this life but goes past lives as well.
When mind is shaken, you become less and less thoughtless and ego starts to melt. Your center moves towards your heart. It is through heart only that one can realize the beats of God. It is not blank brain. Brain will be there but you will for the first time be its master. It is not a blank but a settled mind, a cool mind and you will be aware of it. This state is referred as Sat Chit Anand. Everything is silent. The soundless sound of Omkar will be audible to you. You will be one with One. You will realize your deathless state and for the first time you will taste Amrit. This is blissful state. Anand will shower upon you. Your songs will become His songs. You will just become a bamboo flute in the hands of God. You and God will not be two. You will become one with One as a drop falls into the ocean.
Nanak, Buddha, Mahavir, Krishna, Jesus are not names of different persons. These are the names of ultimate awareness. These are not the names of different personalities. Personality comes out of mind. Beyond mind all is one.
They are the expressions of it. They are beating with same frequency. They are in resonance. These are the names of the same ultimate silence. There are thousands of people who have reached the same ultimate silence.
There are politicial, geographical, historical reasons that we are mentioning these names more than others. But it does not make any difference. By mentioning name of one enlightened person you are mentioning the names of all enlightened people.
These enlightened people are not confined to some bodies they are evolved. Bodies are born and die.
Minds are accumulated and dispersed. The person who disassociate him/herself from this body and mind is just like being dead while alive. Such person is never born and never dead. You can communicate with Nanak, Buddha, Krishna. Thy are your intrinsic part. Close your eyes and you can smile with them. Close your eyes and be silent.
Lastly mediation is not certain techniques. Everything done with awareness is meditation. Even killing a person with awareness is a meditation and donating to a beggar without awareness is a sin. The person who has been exploded to ultimate silence is living all his life in meditation. He is awakened even when his body is sleeping.
Death of his body is a celebration. You can certainly start meditation with some techniques but it has to expand to 24 hours covering everything including walking, sitting, speaking, and dying.
Below is what you have to do if you are sincerely thirsty of Him. If you have any more query, don’t hesitate to write to me. I love whatever you write:
1. Throw away your name. No more GB Singh from now onwards. Let the people who are habitual of addressing you as GB continue. Don’t care about that. Just laugh at them. They don’t know that you are no more GB Singh. Call yourself by some other name. Change this name every month so that you don’t get associated with any name
2. Disassociate yourself from any religion, country, caste you think you belong to. All these association bring mind in. And moreover these are all unreal and 'made in mind' things. You have to go close to reality. When you will disassociate yourself from all this, you will come to your “aloneness”. Be alone. You are born alone and will die alone. Between these two events don’t lose your aloneness. Through it only, you can be an authentic person and one who is super silent. When you will be super silent, you will know what is IS.
3.Too much possessiveness of wife, parents, children not only spoils you but eventually spoils them also. You aloneness will trigger aloneness in them. Aloneness is freedom and authenticity. Never confuse aloneness with loneliness.
4.Talk with trees, talk with stars, talk with mountains .Be thankful to this existence which is giving so much without for anything in return. Avoid talking with human beings. Every human being is sick. When you talk to anybody, unconsciously they throw your sickness at you. This earth is a mad house and you will never come across a person who is sane. More wise and intellectual a person seems, more insane he/she is. Every human being is putting a mask on their face and man has gone astray. Humanity need some rebels now.
Be a rebel and seek God. When you will get enlightened, whole humanity will be blessed with you.
5.Do some active meditations. Dance and shiver your body. Let the energy rise higher and higher. That day is not far away when it will get evaporated high above your head. Shiver and shiver your body.
6.Throw away all you learnt upto now. All education, beliefs are hIndirance for a real seeker. Just become as you are born today. Smile like a child. God is another name of ultimate innocence.
7. Speak gibberish for some time every day especially before going to bed and coming out of bed. Speak some language you don’t know. Speak Chinese etc. for sometime everyday. This will tire and confuse your mind and help it to die.
8.Close your eyes and imagine yourself 300 hundred years in advance. Imagine that all whom you know are dead. Then imagine that all humanity is no more a part of existence. Just consider existence without people in it. See that the sun still rises, flowers will blossom, and rivers continue to flow. This will remind you of Kartar and Krit as one.
9. Lastly die while alive. You die and God will give you rebirth. Only the life after this rebirth is the real life, Godly life, authentic life. Speak only after you are reborn. Before that be a seeker and don’t do anything else.
You don’t have to go to anybody to seek Him. You are pregnant with God. It is already over-due. Hence all the suffering. Please be still and let this delivery happen. There is no rest before this delivery. Be in a helpless state. Suddenly it happens and will happen to you. It comes out of nowhere and you will not be able to do anything other than singing His songs, weeping in His love, and madly dance like Meera.
Love to you,
Your brother
--Sukhvir
It is a matter of honor that you opened up.....
-G.B. Singh, USA
Dear Mr. Sukhvir Singh,
It is a matter of honor that you opened up in your last letter. Your letter provides me a telescopic roadmap as to where you are coming from, where you have been, where you learned such ideas that you have expressed.
Your quote from Gurbani is familiar to me. However, I never used or interpreted in the way you have described it. I will let another Sikh respond on it. Also, when you say, “Gurbani is full of songs of no-mind” I beg to differ with you.
I hope you wouldn’t mind what I am going to say. The rest of your long letter is what we (those of us who study Hinduism in details) call Upanishadic. Therefore I need not go into responding each paragraph of yours. I have come across few Sikhs who have been engrossed in the Upanishads without recognizing the dangers of such endeavors. I urge you to think about it.
The reason your article Meditation: The Final Freedom caught my attention is because these days I am writing a book to be titled, Yoga: Conquest of the Western Mind. Because meditation is a part of the yoga doctrine, I am more interested in that subject.
Yes I am your brother irrespective of the meditations on your part.
Many thanks for publishing this highly researched article of
tremendous historical importance. In fact I remember when I was in High School our history teacher, while
making a comment on the Mutiny of 1857, said "Had Sikh brothers helped
... Independence would have been achieved much earlier".
I never believed it on that day, but now there is concrete evidence by
eminent historians that it was a selfish attempt rather than a war of
Independence.
I was really shocked when this tragedy happened.....
I was really shocked when this tragedy happened. He was a nice man and a loving mamaji to me. I visited him last summer and he visited us in Toronto in October, 2003. I read this biography and I learned many new things about him. I thank my other older mamaji who lives in Holland for writing this wonderful tribute to Nirmal singh Thind.
Whatever I am saying, I am saying.....
-Sukhvir Singh, USA
Editors—We encourage these discussions as long as they stay focused. To say that writing is for cowards is definitely not so. Our knowledge about the world and everything inherent to it has grown because of the written word. Whatever our professions maybe – Software engineer, Doctor, Teacher, etc. – it is only possible through the written word.
Even Sikh Gurus “wrote” the Guru Granth Sahib. That is, Gurbani has come to us as written word. One might ask what was the reason behind it? Couldn’t the Gurus ask people to “experience God” whichever way they liked or preferred? Why write or talk about Waheguru, like they did, if it was of no use? It is true that human knowledge may fall short of understanding “God” or mystic experiences of a believer, but why make it the reason to not share knowledge through the written word.
Dear GB Singh,
Whatever I am saying, I am saying aankhin dekhi.I am not representing
any scriptures nor I ever read scholastic books - Sadhho sehaj samadhi bhali. Neither I talk as a Hindu, nor Muslim, nor a Sikh and nor a Christian. I am simply a human being belonging to all. Thank God, you took away all the pollution from me. Now no “ism” can imprison me. Please don’t judge me. I am not coming from anywhere nor I am going anywhere. I am just here and now. Drink me if you can. Sing with me if you can. Dance with me if you can. Why bother about judging me. I am drunk.
Secondly, never condemn dangerous word. God is adventure. God is for courageous ones only and never and never for cowards. Cowards only talk about God and write books about God and always concerned about safety, defense - Sar Dittia Saain mile,to bhi sasta jaan. Even if you have the option to touch the feet of God after your are slaughtered, consider it is a Grand Sale day. Word dangerous is for worldly souls only. Godly person is just a witnessing awareness. Dangerous/safe, secure/in-secure, happy/sorrow does not make any difference to Him. It is just as it is for Him.
God is not a serious affair nor a scholastic approach. God is
not a knowledge. God is a celebration, a song and a dance. God is for
those who know how to sing and how to dance. Reading and writing books can be a bad habit and it can be just a chewing gum for the mind. It can be a food for the ego. Usually there is a tendency in the scholastic minded people to read and write too much especially in their later life. I have seen a large number of people just collecting stuff from here and there and authoring books. Not even a single word is there own. Soon such books are thrown to the public and polluting their innocent minds. Writing books is just a mind trick to avoid being alone. It is just a trick to keep oneself busy and avoid facing himself/herself. Don’t let the mind cheat you.
Gurbani is for singing not reading, Gurbani is for drinking not
interpreting. One sentence of Gurbani can have indefinite number of
meanings depending on the level of mind of the person reading it. Mind gives its own color, its own meaning to the poetry. Poetry is a beyond mind experience. Whenever a meaning a given to a poem, it just becomes a dead body of the poem. Gurbani is for singing and singing like a drunk.
Lastly don’t burden yourself that I am writing to you
especially. You are representing all the scholars of the world. My words are for all the scholars of the world. These words will speak volumes from the stage of SikhSpectrum to those who have their heart open.
It is a misunderstanding if one gets the impression.....
-Sukhvir Singh, USA
Dear Editor
It is a misunderstanding if one gets the impression that writing is for cowards only.
I never said that. Cowards only write and don’t go beyond to experience themselves. And once samadhi happens, then writing becomes like fragrance of a flower. They don’t write but writing happens to them. God writes through them. God sings through them. I did not condemn writing as long as it is not just a habit without real experience.
Thanks
--Sukhvir
The discussion between G.B. Singh and Sukhvir Singh.....
-Preet Mohan Singh Ahluwalia, USA
The discussion between G.B. Singh and Sukhvir Singh raises some very important questions. More specifically:
. The role and scope of meditation in different religions;
. Nature of meditation; and
. Perceived goal(s) of meditation.
Let me state at the onset that I do not practice meditation like that which is recommended in the discussion. To give the author (Sukhvir Singh) benefit of doubt, I will accept as true the possibility of a blissful condition if the method laid down by him is followed in earnest. I can understand and appreciate the state of bliss (referred to by the author as Sat Chit Anand). Rudolph Otto calls a deep religious emotion mysterium tremendum.
Although I seem to understand the intent that Nanak, Buddha, Jesus, etc. are the same names of the One reality, I must point out that this is not what different religions promote. For example, to a Christian there is no salvation outside Jesus who is the chosen Son of God. This is specifically a Christian belief. Similarly Islam promotes the idea of the finality of revelation through Prophet Mohammad by rejecting the need for any other Prophet after Mohammad, or the finality of revelation before him.
In November 1998, a seminar organized in New Delhi to mark Buddha Mahotsav, had Buddhists monks and scholars up in arms against a comment made by former Home Minister of India L.K. Advani when he stated that Buddha derived his teachings from Bhagvad Gita and that he was also an avtaar of Vishnu. Responding to Advani’s allegations, Lobsang Thokmay, a Tibetan scholar at the Tibetan Institute (Sarnath) replied, “Buddhist philosophy is not at all related to Hindu philosophy. Hinduism believes everything is permanent. In Buddhism, we believe everything is impermanent and interdependent." Buddhist monks accused the seminar organizers of "Indianization of Buddhism" (Advani Does A Joshi On Buddha, Nandita Roy. Reproduced in The Sikh Review, March 1999).
Evidently every religion has its own unique metaphysical worldview, which differentiates it from other religions. Religious differences have been, and still are, an important reason for hostility between people and nations, and keeping that in mind one might resolve to overlook these differences in the common good of all people and races. This, however, should not preclude the necessity to educate everyone about the differences in the paths and teach them, slowly but surely, the need to coexist as co-inheritors of this planet. If my neighbor has a different set of beliefs it should not imply that I must hate him or her.
To resolve the issue of religious intolerance, Guru Nanak, in his Japuji accepts different paths of worship while laying greater emphasis, not on any Prophet or saint, but on the Creator as the single source of creation. Says the Guru,
Innumerable are the prayer-chants,
Innumerable the forms of devotion.
Innumerable are the forms of worship,
Innumerable the modes of doing penance.
Innumerable are those with vows of silence
In unbroken contemplation.
How may I give an idea of Divine might?
All thou wills is good, thou Formless one!
Immutable, ever perfect art thou. (SGGS: p.3-4)
The discussion between Sukhvir Singh and G.B. Singh appeared to focus on Gurbani. It appeared G.B. Singh sought to understand the need for meditation from the viewpoint of Gurbani. What role does meditation play to attain a blissful state of mind? I will discuss it from the Sikh perspective only since that seemed to be the focus of contention.
The state of Sat (being), Chit (consciousness) and Anand (bliss), although desirable is not the ultimate goal for a Sikh. To attain a state of bliss without participation in life is rejected in Sikhism. Sikh Gurus were not ascetics and neither did they give up living to practice meditation. Moreover, to claim that in the state of Sat-Chit-Anand “You will be one with One”, is also not supported by the Gurus. If this were true, where does the concept of nadar (Grace) fit in. To achieve this highest state of bliss, Grace (nadar) is a prerequisite.
With Thy Grace one attains the highest state of bliss.
Thou art the Creator, everything is Thy creation,
What is in the power of jiva. (Asa, M.1. p.423)
It does not matter how much one meditates – chants, sings or dances in circles -- unless you are a recipient of the Divine grace this blissful state will always elude you. To consider our own efforts as sufficient to win the Grace suggests a Creator who can be manipulated by a man or a woman. However, Grace eliminates the possibility of any human manipulation of the Creator. Guru Nanak has suggested that Grace can be earned through our deeds and actions (perhaps meditation is one part of it).
To say that through meditation “You will be one with One”, is not acceptable on another account also. Sikhism rejects the idea of a man or woman “becoming one” with the Creator in an undifferentiated sort of a way. In fact Guru Arjun refused to include a hymn by Bhagat Kanhaa where he says "I am He; O, I am the same". The Guru recognized that this idea is alien to the path of Guru Nanak.
If this is the goal of meditation, as proposed by Sukhvir Singh, then G.B. Singh is correct to point out that Gurbani does not accept it. As pointed out by G.B. Singh this thought is Upanisadic. ‘Thou art That’ (tattvamasi) and ‘I am Brahman’ (aham brahmasmi) are fundamental principles in the Upanishads. To achieve this goal meditation becomes necessary, and it is no wonder that the fourth and final stage of life (fourth ashramas is that of a bhikhsu (an ascetic monk). The famous Upanisadic sage Yajavalkya felt it necessary to leave worldly life for attaining salvation with meditation as a key component of it. All this makes the world an illusion (maya) and Sikhism rejects it.
Every path describes its own way of attaining salvation. Consider the Yogic school of thought. In it the undifferentiated merging of atma and parmatma is emphasized. Contrary to popular belief, yoga is not a way to improve our health. This may be an unintentional benefit of yoga exercises, but fundamentally, through yoga, a yogi endeavors to break the bonds between prakriti and purusa a concept promoted by Samkhaya. Attaining a blissful state as a way to salvation is a part of the Vedantic school. The Nyaya school recommends the detachment from sensory organs. All these ideas, as a way to salvation (or blissful state), are rejected in Sikhism.
I would like to comment on “losing one’s mind” which is an important part of Sukhvir’s discussion. Guru Nanak never criticized intellect. He only questioned the “learned religious people” who claimed to know everything about the Creator and creation. It is in this sense that the Guru places limits on human understanding. How powerless a true seeker is, is best described by Guru Nanak himself in Japuji (pauri 33) where he challenges people who claim to have all the answers.
If meditation involves giving up all desires then is it desirable. The thought to give up desire is also a desire. Moreover, how can one give up all desires and serve humanity. Serving people, fighting injustice, spreading goodness through good deeds and actions is also a desire of the mind.
More importantly, is meditation absolutely necessary for getting closer to God (or Creator)? I’m not sure if it is. Some religions may emphasize it and make it necessary. I don’t reject the idea that there are people who have had mystical experiences through meditation. I will believe Sukhvir if he claims to be one of them.
Let us not forget that there are people who have experienced divinity just by dedicating their lives to helping others. An artist may experience divinity through his art; a scientist may experience it through science; a writer through his writings; and an athlete may experience it when he runs. The story of Eric Liddell is a good example. Eric was a devout Christian and an accomplished runner who won the Olympics gold for the British team in the 1924 Olympics in Paris. Quoting Liddell: “I believe that God made me for a purpose; He also made me fast. And when I run I feel His pleasure. To give it up would be to hold Him in contempt; to win is to honour Him."
Let me end my response by asking the three basic questions that I asked at the very beginning.
What is
. The role and scope of meditation in different religions;
. Nature of meditation; and
. Perceived goal(s) of meditation.
I believe the answers to these questions will help our understanding of the issues involved in this discussion.
Please allow me to comment on Sukhvir Singh’s article.....
-Baldev Singh, USA
Dear Editor,
Please allow me to comment on Sukhvir Singh’s article Meditation: The Final Freedom and his response to GB Singh’s criticism of No-Mind or Sat Chit Anand type meditation.
Meditation like love, peace and spirituality is one the most misunderstood, misspoken and misused word of the English language. Generally, I am not interested in the subject of meditation. Since this article is authored by someone who is a Sikh, I assumed that the article was about what meditation means in Nanakian philosophy (Gurmat). I could not believe my eyes what I saw in the article and in the author’s responses to GB Singh!
For example the author says: “Reading and writing can be a bad habit and can be just chewing gum for the mind.” If that is so then why is he using the medium of writing to propagate his “liberating experience?” There is hardly any statement in the article or the response to GB Singh, which is not contentious, however, I shall restrict myself to few statements to demonstrate unequivocally that there is no place for “No-Mind meditation”, or his approach to life.
He says “No-Mind is a sate of mind where there is emptiness all around and you are pure as if you were born just at that moment and innocent like a child and aware of every thing around you”. This is a self-contradictory statement. First he says that in No-Mind state there is emptiness all around and then he says you are aware of every thing around you! Which one is correct? Moreover, a just born infant’s senses are not as yet developed except the sense of touch for sucking.
Furthermore what does No-Mind state mean? Does it mean the inactive mind or inattentive mind? Inactive mind means coma, or death of consciousness! Gurmat totally rejects this type of meditation. For example when the yogis asked Guru Nanak “Who is your Guru or whose disciple are you?” “Word (Divine knowledge) is the Guru and my mind, which comprehends the Word is the disciple,” replied Guru Nanak (Aad Guru Granth Sahib, p 942-43). It is the attentive mind that comprehends the Word, not the No-Mind state. Similarly, the four stanzas of Japu, 8 to 11 stress the importance of listening to the Word.
Listening to the Word and acceptance of the Word creates love for God, which enlightens the mind removing ignorance (AGGS, p 4).
In ancient times some people in India used to renounce the world in search of “sun or sat chit anand (perfect tranquillity)”state of mind. These people created various ascetic orders that I consider human parasites. In nature all living beings sustain themselves including the ones whom we call parasites, due to our ignorance, as they too serve the ecosystem. But this is not true for the human parasites. They made tall claims to being pious spiritual beings possessing all sorts of supernatural powers. They looked down upon the householders who sustain human society. They exploited the householders by various unsavoury means to live at their expense. Guru Nanak denounced them and their trickery.
I do not believe in the trickery of tantra and mantra to win God’s affection, I imbibe Him in my heart. Meditation on God is the collyrium that pleases Him. The one who understands the Eternal One through the Word has this insight (AGGS, p 766). Never touch the feet of those who claim to be spiritual leaders, but live on charity (AGGS, p 1245).
Meditation, according to Gurmat, means living an active and creative life in harmony with Hukam (Divine Order).
One who works hard to make an honest living and practices charity finds the righteous path (AGGS, p 1245). Truthful is the one who practices truth, compassion and charity (AGGS, p 468). Let your daily actions be the field, sow the seed of Word and water it daily with truth. Work hard like a farmer and grow a crop of firm belief. O ignorant one, then you would understand the meaning of hell and heaven (AGGS, 24). One can be one with God while enjoying worldly pleasures: laughing, playing, eating good food and wearing good clothes. In other words worldly pleasures are compatible with spiritual life (AGGS, p 522).
Gurmat places highest value on a householder life. All Sikh Gurus except one, who died young, were married householders. Nanakian philosophy places God at the centre of family life by calling It father, mother, husband, brother, friend and lover and by depicting It as the bridegroom and humans as brides to emphasise Its love and bond with creation.
In the beginning of his composition of Japu on the opening page of AGGS, Guru Nanak has described God as Sach, meaning Everlasting Universal Truth. Then in the first stanza of Japu on the same page he has enunciated the purpose of human life. How could one become a sachiara (Godlike, truthful), a God-centered being (gurmukh) and how could one get rid of ignorance and falsehood? “By living in harmony with Hukam (Divine Law),” says Nanak (AGGS, p 1).
How could one get rid of ignorance and falsehood? Through knowledge based on Truth. What is needed to understand Hukam? It is true knowledge. So a sachiara is one who understands the Hukam. Who understood the Hukam, Galileo or the Pope? In my opinion it was Galileo who understood the Hukam, which makes him a sachiara.
In his response to GB Singh’s questions Sukhvir said: Gurbani is full of songs of No-Mind. Gurbani continuously hammers the seeker to leave mind outside before going to Guru… It is a mess out of your past, not only of this life but goes past well. And then he goes on to interpret “jao tao prem khelan ka chao. sir dhar tali gali mori aao” as: Remove your head. Head is mind. Head is your ego.
First of all Gurmat rejects the concept of past or future life and all the essentials of Hinduism. Second his interpretation of Gurbani is not what Guru Nanak has emphasized in this couplet. Here Guru Nanak exhorts us to live moral lives with a caution that it requires sacrifices on our part, sometimes even extreme sacrifices. What is a game of love with God? It is righteous conduct - a moral life.
If you want to play the game of love with God then follow my path and be prepared to make supreme sacrifice. Once you step on this path, do not hesitate to offer your head (AGGS, p 1412).
The above proclamation is central to the Sikh Movement - the basis of Miri-Piri (temporal and spiritual sovereignty) - and the development of the noble Khalsa Order. Only a moral person (gurmukh) can be a Mir-Pir i.e. a Khalsa.
Contrary to his assertions “Gurbani is full of songs of No-Mind. Gurbani continuously hammers the seeker to leave mind outside before going to Guru”, Gurmat urges us to use common sense in our daily lives and it lays utmost stress on discerning intellect (bibek budh) - an alert and attentive mind.
First, evaluate a substance, then buy it if convinced. In other words, first evaluate an idea or a philosophy (teachings or religion). If convinced, then accept it (AGGS, p 1410).
The highest achievement is deliberation and discussion of Word (Guru’s teaching) (AGGS, p 904).
Here again you need an active and alert mind for deliberation and discussion.
Use wisdom and reason in the worship of God and practice of charity. One learns by intelligent reading and earns respect by wisdom (AGGS, p 1245).
One who applies discerning intellect can understand the subject in its real perspective. In other words we must use bibek budh in understanding Gurbani (AGGS, p 285).
One who is endowed with discerning intellect (bibek budh) is indeed a wealthy person (AGGS, p1150).
O my Beloved Creator, I am sacrifice toYou. You have made me understand that he who searches for You is enlightened, while the one who wanders aimlessly is wasted away. In other word one who investigates makes progress while one who indulges in idle discussions goes no where (AGGS, p 1255).
Do not live a life of isolation; interact with others. Keep learning from others and teaching others as long as there is breath of life. A Sikh is a learner for life (AGGS, p 661).
Education teaches us that don’t say a bad word to anyone but don’t argue with an ignorant (AGGs, p 473).
Furthermore Sukhbir says: “Gurbani is for singing not for reading. Gurbani is for drinking not for interpreting. One sentence of Gurbani can have indefinite number of meanings depending on the level of mind of the person reading it. Mind gives its own color and meaning to poetry. Poetry is beyond mind experience. Whenever a meaning is given to a poem, it just becomes a dead body of the poem. Gurbani is for singing and singing like a drunk”.
If Gurbani is for singing and singing like a drunk, not for reading or interpreting, then why did the Gurus write it down meticulously with their own hands. Guru Nanak and Guru Angad constructed a beautiful modern script, Gurmukhi, from contemporary crude scripts with specific grammar for writing their and their successors Divine revelations. If Gurbani is just for singing like a drunk, then why did they develop a special script and grammar for it? So that people could understand Gurbani through proper interpretation. Yes, people may have indefinite number of meanings of a sentence of Gurbani depending on their intelligence and knowledge of Gurmat and the grammar of Gurbani, but there is only one correct meaning for the one endowed with discerning intellect (bibek budh). For example, Nanak pronounced as Nanak is spelled in three different ways in Aad Guru Granth Sahib, why? May be Sukhbir Singh should think about it!
--Baldev Singh
I read your beautiful letter of inviting Sikhs.....
-G.B. Singh, USA
Dear Krista,
I read your beautiful letter of inviting Sikhs to join and experience the love of Jesus. Your words are captivating, especially when you wrote, “You don't have do anything to deserve His love in fact you and I don't deserve His love but He gives it to us freely. He is the only way to Heaven and there is nothing that you have to do for it but simply believe that He loves you and died for you and ask Him to come into your life and to forgive you for your sins.”
I am intrigued by the “Heaven” you are talking about. Could you please tell me where it is; what it looks like; who are its residents; and if Jesus lives there at this present time?
I would also imagine that you have read the entire Bible. In that case, it would be nice of you to educate us as to what the Bible really tells us about this “Heaven” that you would have us going there, once we accept Jesus as our savior. Please be specific and provide quotes from the Bible.
Mr. Dhanoa who is a former IAS officer was an advisor to Indira Gandhi on Sikhs and the Punjab. I have noticed that since 1984 he has been blaming Sikhs for the attack on the Golden Temple and what happened to them in its aftermath over the last two decades. He is a vigorous defender of Indira Gandhi and the Congress Party. Mr. Dhanoa’s ire is directed only against the Akalis, although, there is no difference between Punjab politicians, as they are one and the same representing two sides of a counterfeit coin.
Besides, the dominant politicians are interrelated.1 Mr. Dhanoa is a vociferous critic of Bhindranwala, but is silent about his successor, Baba Thakur Singh who still insists that Bhindanwala is well and alive and will appear at the appropriate time! I would like to know the reason of this silence.
When KPS Gill took journalist Khushwant Singh on a tour of Punjab for propaganda, they stopped at the Dera of Baba Thakur Singh. Dhanoa is a very harsh critic of Khalistanis, but he does not utter a word against their leaders like Jagjit Singh Chauhan, Sohan Singh Boparai and others. Again I would like to know why. Is it because it was Indira Gandhi who created the fake Khalistan movement to destroy the vibrant, entrepreneurial and enterprising Sikh community? Is it not a fact that Indian intelligence services recruited criminal and depraved elements within the Sikh community to do the dirty work? Is it not true that it was Jagjit Singh Chauhan who conspired with Lachman Singh Gill at the behest of Congress party to sabotage the Akali ministry headed by Gurnam Singh.2
Both Chauhan and Boparai are physicians. But who recruited whom and the connection between the two remains to be discovered? Both Chauhan and Boparai are living comfortably in India whereas thousands of innocent, ignorant and gullible Sikh youth, who were misled and incited by them got killed. Boparai has been handsomely rewarded for his work- his son, Swaran Singh Boparai, an IAS officer with no academic experience, has been appointed Vice Chancellor of Punjabi University. Swaran Singh Boparai’s father-in-law, the late congressman Swaran Singh, held several high ranking cabinet positions in the central government.
He earned a reputation by leading a Muslim delegation to the Conference of Islamic Countries like Omar Abdullah who was the head of Indian delegation at the Conference on Racism and Casteism held in South Africa a few years ago. Sohan Singh Boparai’s other son was a prominent Khailstani3 in California. His wife used to eulogise the sacrifices made by her father-in-law and their family for Khalistan in the now defunct World Sikh News. The first editor of this weekly newsletter was Professor Manjit Singh Sidhu, kuram (in-law) of KPS Gill. It is well known that Indian government agents sabotaged the World Sikh Conference held in New York, July 31, 1984 to denounce and expose the heinous crime - Operation Bluestar.4
While the stage was occupied by General Bhullar, Professor Manjit Singh Sidhu, Saran Singh- editor of the Sikh Review and former IAS officer and advisor to the Governor of Assam - and others, the floor was manned by unscrupulous people. Others like Professor Pritam Singh of Guru Nanak Dev University were sitting in the audience. It is a mystery how Dr. Gurinder Singh Grewal, a man of few words, suddenly decided to publish a Sikh newsletter?
After the massacre of the Sikhs, the propaganda machine started blaming the victims for the attack and what happened to them in its aftermath over the last two decades. June 3rd being a gurpurab (a religious festival), a large number of pilgrims, nearly 10000, had come to stay in the Golden Temple complex. Many of them appear to have been killed in army action.5 The actual number of Sikhs who were killed in fake encounters, in police custody and in jails is not known yet, as the powers that be, through its machinations, has frustrated and thwarted the efforts of human rights organisations to collect data.6 May be as many as 200,000 Sikhs have been killed in India during the last two decades.7
Here is a point by point response to Dhanoa’s claims.
Dhanoa wrote: “The Sikh community led by Jathedars would be observing 6th of June as the ‘Ghalughara divas’ all over the world. My estimate, after collecting all information that I could as Chief Secretary, Punjab, is that about 1000-1200 persons lost their lives at the hands of Indian military. It is bit intriguing that the Jathedars started observance of the day really from last year when officially Jarnail Singh BhIndiranwale was declared dead and a martyr. It is said that seven to eight thousands Sikhs were killed in what is known as ‘chota ghalughara’ at the hand s of Lakhpat Rai Kapur and the Sikhs lost about thirty thousands lives in February 1762 in what is known as ‘wada ghalughara’ perpetrated by Ahmad Shah Abdali. I am not aware of any observance of these days at the collective community level.”
The exploitation of the blood of innocent Sikhs by Akalis, SGPC and Jathedars (leader, head of one the five seats of religious authority of the Sikhs) or anybody else is despicable and must be denounced. However, Dhanoa’s comparison of the massacre of Sikhs on June 4, 1984 to ‘chota ghalughara (small holocaust)’ and ‘wada ghalughara (big holocaust)’ is unconscionable. Lakhpat Rai was an avowed foe of the Sikhs, who has taken a vow to eliminate the Sikhs from the face of the planet,8 and Ahmad Shah Abdali was a foreign invader.
Moreover, the Sikhs fought against both Lakhpat Rai and Ahmad Shah Abdali. On the other hand the massacre of Sikh men, women, and children (pilgrims) on June 4, 1984 at the Golden Temple and other gurdwaras was carried out by their own government - the world’s so-called largest democracy headed by Indira Gandhi - who in Dhanoa’s words was “sympathetic towards the Sikhs.”
Sikhs do remember not only ‘chota ghalughara’ and ‘wada ghalughara’ but also all others who fought against oppression and injustice and for freedom of conscience and religion throughout Sikh history in their daily prayer- Ardas (Sikh congregational prayer).
Why did the observation of 6th of June as “ghalughara divas” (holocaust day) by the Sikh community worldwide upset Dhanoa so much that he was forced to speak against it. Did the evil deeds - mass murder of innocent Sikhs and the diabolical campaign to cover the heinous crimes against them - that Mr. Dhanoa supports has now come to haunt him?
Second, even the Indian government’s own “White Paper” on Operation Bluestar puts the number of killed at 4712 and arrested at 10000 whereas the Human Rights Group’s figure for the killed is 10000.9
If Indira Gandhi was sympathetic to the Sikhs then why did she9a order the attack on June 4th knowing fully well that on that day Golden Temple and other gurdwaras would be filled with pilgrims- men, women, and children? Couldn’t she order the attack few days earlier or later? Was Mr Dhanoa involved in this decision making process, which was aimed at giving Sikhs a bloody nose so that they would forget their “bol bale” (freedom-consciousness)?
If Indira Gandhi was anxious to resolve the issue peacefully through Harkishan Singh Surjit, Swaran Singh, Raghunandan Lal Bhatia and many other people until 3rd of June then why did she ask General Sunderji to make preparation for an attack on the Golden Temple in January 1984.10 Why had the army built replicas of Golden Temple at Chakrata and Sarasawa to train commandos? 11
Who created the Bhindranwala phenomenon? Giani Zail Singh and Sanjay Gandhi, with the blessing of Indira Gandhi, created Dal Khalsa by recruiting Naxalites (communists).12 Indira Gandhi, Giani Zail Singh and Sanjay Gandhi promoted and projected Bhindranwala as a great spiritual figure and foisted him on the Sikh community.13 He was installed in the Golden Temple complex by the Indian Intelligence services with the connivance of Tohra and Longowal, who were trying to outsmart each other.14 How could Bhindranwala stockpile weapons when devotees who visited the Golden Temple to pay obeisance were searched and even striped by a cordon of police and security forces?15
If Bhindranwala was a dangerous man then why wasn’t he arrested?16 Why did Indira Gandhi order Chief Minster Darbara Singh to release Bhindranwala when he was put behind bars by the Punjab police?17 Why did President Zail Singh and Buta Singh bow at Bhindranwala’s feet in public at the bhog ceremony of Jathedar Santokh Singh? Why did not Indira Gandhi fire them for bowing to him?18 It is well known that Jathedar Santokh Singh was Indira Gandhi’s man. She got rid of him when she found no use for him. He was killed by his security guards from the police department!18
Why did Rajiv Gandhi, on a visit to Chandhigarh on May 5, 1984 call Bhindiranwale “a saintly man without political ambition?”19 Indira Gandhi never criticized Bhindranwala till he was dead.20 Bhindranwala campaigned for Congress-I candidate in Gurdaspur constituency. He delivered a speech before a meeting, which Indira Gandhi also addressed.20 He also campaigned for other Congress-I candidates including Raghunandan Lal Bhatia.21
Why did the government use a large number of troops with tanks and helicopters to capture or kill “a saintly man without political ambition ” and his forty associates?22 Was there no other way? After all it was the government that put the “holy man” in that situation!
Why seventy-four other gurdwaras were also attacked simultaneously when Bhindranwala and his group were encamped in the Golden Temple complex? 23
Why does Baba Thakur Singh, the successor of Bhindarwala, still insists that Bhindranwala is well and alive and will appear at the appropriate time? Was there an understanding between Damdami Taksal and Indira Gandhi that no harm would come to Bhindranwala during Operation Bluestar?
Dhanoa says that he approached the Patna Takhat urging them to distance from Bhindranwala. I believe he was exchanging information with them as they too, like Dhanoa, were working for the same cause - the success of Operation Bluestar!
For whom was Bhai Kanwar Singh working? Why any Sikh in his right mind would have made outrageous statements: they were at war and gurdwaras were their forts? Wasn’t Kanwar Singh providing justification for the attack on Golden Temple and other gurdwaras? What happened to Kanwar Singh? What is he doing nowadays?
Dhanoa says that Sardar Manmohan Singh has been appointed as the Prime Minister of India on being elected by the Congress Parliamentary Party as their leader. But Dhanoa forgot that Sardar Manmohan Singh is also the man, who was sent by the Congress government in 1993 to Vienna, to represent India at the Human Rights Conference where he made the following statements without blinking an eye:
“There are no ethnic people in India. My government recognises no such category. India has only backward sections. India is an open book and there are no violations of human rights in India”. 24
It must be pointed out that Indian political parties, whether it is Congress or BJP or Communist or any other, have no qualms about spilling minority blood to advance there political objectives. And the Akalis, SGPC, Jathedars and the clergy have no remorse exploiting the spilled blood of innocent Sikhs for their own selfish interests.
Moreover, the Akalis, SGPC, Jathedars and the clergy, who hold no bar while slinging mud at each other, have not uttered a word on record against Jagjit Singh Chauhan, Sohan Singh Boparai, Surain Singh Dhanoa etc.? Could it be because people like Dhanoa know too much about the Akalis, SGPC and the clergy. The Jathedar of Akal Takhat and the clergy, who refused to give siropa (robe of honor) to Chief Minster Amrinder Singh because he dyes his beard, had no compunction to give it to Jagjit Singh Chauhan when he went to the Golden Temple (Tribune, Chandigarh).
References
1 Parkash Singh Badal is related to the Kairons, Braras and Ravi Inder Singh. Simranjit Singh Maan
and Captain Arminder Singh are brother-in-laws.
2 Singh, S. The Sikhs in History, 4th ed., 2001, p 345.
3 Ibid., p 452.
4 Singh, B. Deep penetration of Criminals into Sikh Institutions, The Sikh Bulletin, 2002, 4 (5), 12-15; Singh, S. Spokesman, November 2002, p. 14.
5 Jaijee, I. S. Politics of Genocide: Punjab 1984-1998, 1999, p 49.
6 Singh, S. The Sikhs in History, 4th ed., 2001, p 553- 558.
7 Jaijee, I. S. Politics of Genocide: Punjab 1984-1998, 1999, p 103-104.
8 Bhangu, R. S., Prachin Panth Parkash (Punjabi), edited by Bhai Vir Singh, 4th ed., 1962, p 321-322.
9 Jaijee, I. S. Politics of Genocide: Punjab 1984-1998, 1999, p 103-104.
9a Ibid., p 50.
10 Ibid., p 43-46.
11 Ibid., p 43.
12 Singh, S. The Sikhs in History, 4th ed., 2001, p 364, 370-371; Sinha, S, Singh, J. Sunil, Reddy, G.K.C. Army Action In Punjab: Prelude And Aftermath, 1984, p 28.
13 Singh, S. The Sikhs in History, 4th ed., 2001, p 364,., p 364.
14 Jaije, I. S. Politics of Genocide: Punjab 1984-1998, 1999, p 33-34, 42.
15 Ibid., p 35-37.
16 Ibid., p 34.
17 Ibid., p 35.
18 Singh, S. The Sikhs in History, 4th ed., 2001, p 383.
19 Jaijee, I. S. Politics of Genocide: Punjab 1984-1998, 1999, p 40.
20 Sinha, S, Singh, J. Sunil, Reddy, G.K.C. Army Action In Punjab: Prelude And Aftermath, 1984, p 28-
29.
21 Singh, S. The Sikhs in History, 4th ed., 2001, p 371.
22 Singh, S. The Sikhs in History, 4th ed., 2001, p 364,., p 364; Jaije, I. S. Politics of Genocide: Punjab
1948-1998, 1999, p 33-34, 42, 56.
23 Jaijee, I. S. Politics of Genocide: Punjab 1984-1998, 1999, p 42.
24 Ibid., p 222.
Thanks for reading the conversation on meditation. I.....
-Sukhvir Singh, USA
Dear Friends,
Thanks for reading the conversation on meditation. I have read word by word recently written by Preet Mohan and more by Baldev Singh. I will try to explain and go deep further on some points which can make things more clear. Meditation is not a condemnatory word just because it is an English word and I have no problem replacing the heading of the article with Dhyaan :Final Freedom or Tappasia: The final freedom.
Guru Nanak like all other Masters urged the seeker to go into dhyaan rather than beliefs. Meditaion or Dhyaan is not just sitting with closed eyes and going to the jungles. Meditations are scientific techniques for inner transformation. Meditation is like blood for every religion. Without mediation religion is just a crowd of corpses and with meditation religion is a carnival.
Religion is not an organization rather it is a burning furnace or taksal. Religion is a revolution it is not a ritual. With the passage of time, all religions lose the fire and just become like cold ash. Priests/religious leaders/scholars are responsible for this. They take away the mediation out of the religion. Meditation brings awareness to a person. Meditation turns a goat into the lion. With meditation, a person no longer remains a Hindu, Muslim, Christian or a Sikh. He becomes a universal being and authentic person. He becomes a rebel.
Priests/Politicians are not interested in meditative people. They are interested in believers. Belief and blind are synonyms. To be a believer is to be a blind. Only blinds believe in light. A person with eyes doesn’t believe in light. He experiences the light. If he is asked whether he believes in light or not, it will make him laugh. Religion is light. Religion and light are synonyms. We have to treat the eyes of the blind with meditation so that they can see the light. We don’t have to give him the beliefs of light. Priests/scholars/politicians have used the word “Trust” to exploit people asking them to “believe”.Trust and belief are totally different > things.
Trust comes from heart. Belief comes from mind. Belief assumes something to be true without search. Belief spoils the urge to seek. Search starts with doubt. Belief kills it. A believer has no hope to reach anywhere as he just keeps standing blind. A seeker has the hope to reach somewhere. Courage creates seekers and fear creates believers. Journey starts as a seeker. Nanak, Gobind Singh, Buddha, Jesus all started their journey as seekers. It took 36 years of dhyaan, search in the last body of Nanak before he was enlightened. After being fed up with sword, Teg Bahadur sat silently in the basement of his home and started searching for himself. Flowers showered upon him eventually when he found himself. Gobind Singh spent much time on mountains doing Tap, meditations and seeking the ultimate. This soul did not have a desire for any more body. But Teg Bahadur invited this soul for another birth out of compassion.
Although this will need a different topic but Unfortunately has to be mentioned that man-woman love has been distorted by our society under the name of marriage. Non-loving couples are made to live together on social and economical factors. Really loving man-woman couples are butchered/killed in the name of morality if they are not married. Nanak’s statements are misused by ignorant people to glorify marriage and to continue the same old [rotten] society. Nanak appreciated and regarded the authentic love between a man and woman not just husband/wife. Couples who are really loving attract good souls and nagging couples attract bad souls.
Different religion existing in the world today are not the direct creation of enlightened people. People of dominating tendency /believers/political minded people have more hands behind the religions as organizations. All religions have become a gathering of believers. A believer can never experience. When a man experience the inner core of himself, the whole world belongs to him. He is not a stranger anywhere. Everywhere is his home. He becomes a citizen of the world. Everyone is his family. All belong to him and he belongs to all.
Today all religions are killing all the possibility for a human to grow and they cripple the mind of the person so that he can never experience super-consciousness. The reason being that meditation has become a second priority and outer identifications and political games have become the first priority of every religion. There are efforts being made to bring meditation back to the religions. Sufism and Zen are the efforts to bring meditation back into Islam and Buddhism respectively. But these are humble efforts
Aggressiveness of religions can destroy them anytime. Good things are like flowers and can be destroyed easily. Bad things are hard and tough like stones. But flowers have their own glory and life. Stones are dead.
All religions are essentially meditations. Anything done with awareness and with love is meditation. Sitting silently in a Gurdwara tuning with the tunes of Harmonium and songs of Gurbani is meditation. It triggers some silence in you, stops your mind flow and touches your heart. You become inwards and your eyes start closing themselves. You start settling in yourself.
It is unfortunate that all Gurdwaras are polluted with Kathakars and political people. They are destroying the meditative environments there. It should not be a place for them. Gurdwaras are for humanity. There are other meditations already in place in Gurdwaras. When you go to Gurdwara and clean utensils, it kills your ego. Mind experiences less traffic of thoughts/knowledge during this time and some innocence is triggered in you.A lso when you do some other work in a Gurdwara, it bring some bliss to you as it is done without any selfish motive.
Anything done without any selfish motive becomes Krit. Anything done with love without the ego of being a doer becomes a Krit. This is also known as “Work as Worship” technique of meditation. These are only limited meditations being done in Gurdwara indirectly. But these can not be attractive for every type of person. Today man has become more mind oriented rather than heart oriented. Such a man will remain thinking of his worldly affairs even in the tunes of Gurbani music or being present inside a Gurdwara. He will remain untouched will all happening in a Gurdwara.
There are also a number of other meditation techniques which can benefit a large volume of such people. There should be a Meditation Hall along with Langar Hall in every Gurdwara. New techniques from all over the world should be introduced. These new approaches will certainly be challenged by the older generation, priest, scholars and politicians. But this is nothing new. Nanak, Buddha, Jesus etc., all enlightened persons had to meet the same challenge. If they had avoided these challenges we would all be like animals. Humanity needs rebels now. Humanity has been sickened of diabetes by goody-goody people who are just buttering each other’s ego and all type of hypocrisy dominates all aspects of life. Earth need some salt now.
Some words about no mind again. A child when born is innocent, fresh, and living not in mind but at the center of heart. He is not aware of his being yet. It is not his achievement yet. Soon mind will start wandering him away. Society will start its procedure to corrupt him. He will lose his innocence. He may become a politician, a cunning or a clever sort of a person. He has to go through all transformations to come back to his being again.
A Buddha or an awakened person becomes like a child, innocent like a child, smiling like a child but with one difference in that this state cannot be lost. Nobody can spoil it. It is surrounded by awareness. And this awareness is not an alertness of the mind. This is an awareness of the Third Eye. This is an awareness of the soul. This is an awareness of being. The mind will be there but it will remain in the tool box. Its purpose will be utilitarian, but not of a master. No mind is neither an inactive mind nor inattentive mind. It is witnessing an awareness and a light all around. The light of the soul and the light of awakening. It can not be explained. It can only be experienced. It is Gunge Ka Gur.
Now some words about reading vs. singing of Gurbani. Reading is done with the mind and singing is from the heart. Reading excites the mind and singing tunes the heart with One. Religions until now has remained in the hands of scholars/Pandits. Sanskrit was in the hands of scholars. It was interpreted by scholars to trigger fear and guilt feeling in the common man. Religion remained a scholastic affair. Sikh Masters became the persons of people. They touched the heart of man. Scholars remained touching minds of people. Touch of mind is shallow and short lived. Touch of heart is never dying. Sikh Masters were not scholars but rebels and revolutioners. The purpose of an awakened one is to cut off the disciples from past and all types of wisdoms.
Language connects one with the past and old knowldege. God is not knowledge but Knowing and God is not past, God is Present and is an experience of timelessness/distancelessness/deathlessness. Sikh masters introduced the language of heart and for the first time religion became an experience of the heart rather than a scholastic approach as the propaganda done by Pandits and scholars. We have to make sure that our new languages remains heart oriented and should not be polluted by Kathakars/scholars by their interpretations. These should remain a song not Algebra. It is a paradox to interpret the song. Sing it! Why unnecessarily interpret it. If the song is a real song it will do its purpose. It will touch the heart without being noticed by anybody. Why to postmortem an innocent and poor song. Drink it!! It has the capacity to make you drunk! It is just like keeping a bottle of wine in your closet and keep thinking and talking about it. Drink it and Dance!!
Lastly I hope my words will open some new dimension of understanding in people who are courageous enough to say “I DON’T KNOW”. All knowledge is for the people who can say “I DON’T KNOW”. The person who says “I KNOW” remain confined to their narrow boundaries. I am neither a writer nor a author. I am poorer to the poorest. Writing is not my habit either. Writing is a disturbance to me. I enjoy my being and my silence. Writing about things as it is, will be bitter and brings so much disturbances to sleeping souls. I have no intension to touch anybody’s ego and neither do I argue. Everybody has the right to think and live as their own. I am fully available to whoever asks as a seeker. Arguing never enjoys me. I am a pure love. I am naked standing face to face with the present. I have no connection with the past. Some people termed my words as Upanishdic etc., I never read the Upanishads. Don’t attach me to the past. These are my words and at the most you can call it Sukhvirdic but don’t drag me into the past.
Also I am not talking within the boundaries of any religion, dogma, culture or region. All is One connected together as one organic unity. Why can not we talk with our own tongue. Why can not we see things with our own eyes, why cannot we hear with our own ears. God has made every body 100% perfect. We can stand on our own feet. Don’t cling to anything. Nirvana of Nanak, Budha, Krishna can not help anybody unless the person is open and the person is an authentic seeker. Religion is not a dogma, it is an infection. Whatever happened to any enlightened person can trigger something in you if you are silent and keep your heart open. Mind can not take you anywhere. Move and flow with the river. You can swim as swimming is your intrinsic quality. You have just forgotten it. It has to be reminded.
In summary
.What is The role and scope of meditation in different religions?
The role is essentially meditation. But the religions you talk about are no more religions. These have become political and are no longer a place of inner search. The definitions of religions are distorted by ignorant and egoistic people. They are not for people who are authentic seekers.
.Nature of meditation
Meditation consists of everything done with awareness. Do whatever but don’t be a doer. This is meditation. Writing can be a meditation if the writer is not there as a writer but as a witness.
.Perceived goal(s) of meditation
To know the very core of yourself, which is never corn and will never die.
--Sukhvir Singh
I have liked the scholarship that has gone into.....
-S.S. Dhanoa
Editors-- Mr. Dhanoa the editorial staff at SikhSpectrum.com did not write the response; It was from Dr. Baldev Singh as we stated in the forwarded email to you. If it was not clear in our email we apologize for the inconvenience.
We are not in a position to discuss this matter with you and will forward your response to Dr. Baldev Singh. As you have correctly pointed out in your reply, there were, and possibly still are, “invented facts” that surface in the news media in its coverage of the Punjab. We hope that a non-partisan investigation into the events of the last few decades is allowed at the earliest.
Dear Editor,
I have liked the scholarship that has gone into the
chargesheet against me. However, it is typical
chargesheet of the modern day Indian Police on the
basis of invented facts. I did not know Indira Gandhi.
I met her for the first and last time when the Cabinet
Secretary asked me to see her before I joined as Chief
Secretary Punjab. Actually my name was on her 'black
list' for never to be posted under the Central
Government because I had written to Tandon, the joint
secretary in the PMO, complaining against Dhawan and
Arjun Das for interfering in the administration of the
Super Bazar Delhi in the name of Indira Gandhi’s oral
orders. Tandon supported me but the support cost him
his job and it ended my tenure at Delhi despite the
Super Bazar turning profitable for the first
time.
I shall be obliged if the learned editor can provide a
glimpse of information on the basis of which he had
formulated his conjectures. You have a conscience and I
appeal to you to look a bit inwards and decide if
there is any basis other than imagined conjectures for
maligning because soon we shall be called to account
for our deeds. May I request you to publish my response
with whatever comments you like as the last word has
to be with you.
--S.S. Dhanoa
You are welcome to practice and preach.....
-Baldev Singh, USA
Dear Sukhvir Singh,
You are welcome to practice and preach your No-mind meditation but there is no justification for associating with Sikh Gurus and the their teachings. The Nanakian philosophy rejects this type of meditation unequivocally - read my response carefully.
Rational discussion or debate needs rational answers, however, when a question is asked of you, you change the subject and give a long irrelevant answer. And that is what you did with GB Singh, and now you have done the same to the questions raised by Preet Mohan and me. In my response I have quoted Gurbani with references to prove beyond any shadow of doubt that No-mind type meditation has no place in Gurmat. Can you point out any misinterpretation?
In your response, without providing any evidence, you said that people misinterpret Guru Nanak on marriage. Have you read it? I could argue with every sentence of your response, but don’t find any use.
There is Punjabi a proverb: pani wich madani, you can’t get butter by churning water. In my response I pointed that Gurmat lays utmost emphasis on discerning intellect (bibek budh).
You say that meditation is scientific, do you understand the meaning of “scientific”. Scientific means based on evidence, logic, and experimental results.
I think it would be futile to pursue this debate any further without proper answers and evidence.
--Baldev Singh
I wish you had responded to the points raised.....
-Baldev Singh, USA
Dear Mr. Dhanoa,
I wish you had responded to the points raised in my rebuttal to your article Remembering Operation Bluestar to set the record straight. I did provide you with references for what I said. Instead, you have given a curt answer: I did not know Indira Gandhi, I met her only twice, she did not like me and she black listed me.
If that is so why have you been defending her and the Congress Party and blaming Sikhs in your articles in Indian newspapers and on the Sikh-Diaspora Yahoo e-Group.
If you did not know Indira Gandhi why would you think she was sympathetic to the Sikhs, and how do you know she did not want the Akalis to take advantage of their morcha? These are your words, read you article.
If you did not know Indra Gandhi then how did you know her raj-dharma (governing philosophy)? Why are you trying to exonerate Indira Gandhi for the heinous crime she committed and blame others like Sunder ji who simply followed her orders?
You said that your investigation found only 1000-1200 deaths during Operation Bluestar, whereas Indian Government’s own White Paper puts the number at 4712 and unofficial police estimate is 5000. Whom are you trying to protect?
How do you justify your equating chota ghalughara and wada ghalughara with Operation Bluestar? Why should it upset you if Sikhs remember the heinous crime - Operation Bluestar, which started the systematic murder of the Sikhs during the last two decade?
Truth can’t be hidden forever; sometimes it speaks even from the darkest layers of evil instincts. Nanak, ultimately falsehood is defeated and Truth triumphs (AGGS, p 1283).
--Baldev Singh
You and I are standing in different spaces......
-Sukhvir Singh, USA
Dear Baldev Singh,
You and I are standing in different spaces. I am dead and you are still holding yourself. I am not a lawyer of any scripture. I am not proving anything. I am just saying whatever I have to say. I am not debating on anything. I will just say whatever I have to say and who are open will listen. Don’t stress too much on ‘No’ of No-mind. It is not a negative thing. It is positive and positive from all sides. It is not losing Mind, it is settling mind (Chit). No-Mind is Budh-Vivek.
Budh-Vivek is not an alert mind rather it is consciousness/awareness when the mind settles. Mind mean chain of thinking, thoughts, desires, and dreams. When all this dust gets washed away, whatever is left is an awarenss, a budh-vivek, a consciousness. Mind means “mun”. That is how the word A-MUN is derived. Man is the ultimate state of being. Whatever I have written until now is to clear the misunderstandings about meditation. Don’t condem them as “No-Mind” type of meditations. Meditation is to add wings to the soul. It is essential part of every religion. It is an effortless effort and a pathless path. It is just to prepare yourself, sow the seed and water it and wait for Him. Mediation is not a doing, it is an undoing. I know there might be lot of misunderstandings already existing about meditation so that was the purpose of discussion to clarify. It is same Dhyaan which Nanak, Kabir and all have recommended.
Without Dhyaan, religions have become fascistic. All your references to Gurbani to discourage Dhyaan are out of shallow and too-quick observation. First be yourself. Find your core which is immortal. Only then sacrifice has any value. Otherwise sacrifice is just suicide. Sacrifice has become an ugly word. It has been used by fascistic people to exploit people. Religion is neither a matter of land matter nor of water.These are geographical issues. Religion is an individual matter. Religion has been misinterpreted by fascistic leaders /politicians to create suicidal groups and killers.
Your interpretation of Jao Tao prem Khelan Ka chao,Sir Dhar tali gali meri Aao means don’t hesitate for ultimate sacrifice is fascistic. It only points that you should not cling to life. Clinging pulls you outside. Religion is an inward journey. Yes, a religious person can sacrifice his life because he knows he is not dying. He finds something in himself which never dies. It no longer remains a sacrifice but a freedom from body and expansion to the beyond. Such wrong interpretations by fascistic people created so much bloodshed in Punjab. Turbaned policemen and the so-called militants did more than Aurangzeb could do. Such wrong interpretations put swords in the hands of the children in Punjab. Villages give a deserted look. Masands have occupied Gurdwaras again in the new faces and new names of Granthis and Jathedars.
Sikh religion is not a fascistic religion. Please keep it humble and advanced. Once it was a live revolution like the wild fire. It engulfed its surroundings and reached each home with the eldest son. But soon it was contained over-possessive and fascistic people. Once it was a place of seeker, now it has become a place of the same old believers. It started dying the day when it was lumped together with Hindu, Muslim, Christian religions. It was never a religion, it was a jump out of the cages of religions, it was a boundary-less revolution.
Once it was a furnace to purify the human being from all the identification of caste/religion/names. Such a person was referred as Khalsa. Once Sikh name was an airport to fly above. Now it has become a Golden Prison like other religions.All religions are dead. Sikh Religion is on its deathbed. Its own survivors and doctors have given it countless doses of poison. They are still standing on its head with long syringes of poison until its last breaths are not finished. We have to shatter these interpreters. They have no inner experience .They are just fascistic, egoistic, politicians and greedy people.
I am saying these words to take away some layers of curtains in front of your eyes. Saying Yes/No to your interpretations will not make any difference as you will remain the same person with the same old glasses of mind. These long words can wake a real authentic man sleeping in you. Don’t reject everything so quickly. Gurbani includes all in it. Directly it is the path of love and indirectly it does not reje
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